Tell us what you think
Submitted by admin on Mon, 14/12/2009 - 13:20
We'd love to hear what you think of the 'show' so far. Our reports can be downloaded from the links in the sidebar on the right-hand side of this page, and comments can be left in this forum.
Comments
outside of remit?
I was pleased to hear that this research project was being undertaken and took the time to give my input. It is disappointing that when it has been identified that the most important issues are of water quality and fish stocks that this is 'outside of remit' which begs the question, if the research is worth undertaking, and identifies a major issue which is 'outside of remit', now what? Is it to continue and ignore the major issue? Didn't see any mention of Otters either, which I'm sure is of major concern to many anglers.
'Remit'
Hi, First of all thanks for your input both in the questionnaire as well as here. As the person responsible for the project I'd just like to clarify. By 'outside of remit', we do not mean that these are not important issues, which they clearly are. We simply mean that, as researchers broadly within social science, analysing water quality and fish stocks is not within our scope of abilities. That is the preserve of fishery, biological and ecological scientists rather than us. As one fishery scientist recently put it to us 'we research the fish; you research the people'. Of course there is a need for both approaches to work more closely together, something we are looking into developing this year.
Also, we are, and have been, disseminating findings of what is important to anglers to those who are responsible for these areas of work, but for a project that is funded to understand the social and community benefits of angling, run by social researchers, the impact of angling on fish stocks and water quality is outside of what this project can deliver. Thanks. Adam Brown
Angling Participation
While some of this report may be "regarded as obvious" to those in the know it is still a very worthwhile exercise. By virtue of its very nature angling does not have a high profle and any study which attempts to get to grips with its salient features must be congratulated. It is also time that evidence was provided which can be used to illustrate decision making at a political level which is sadly lacking at the moment.The value of angling over and above the personal level is rarely explored. All power to the study .
Paricipation
Although I think it is important for children to be given opportunities and don't see any need for able adults to be given any form of positive discrimination. An angler is an angler whatever race/sex/nationality they are.
It all rather obvious
I did not get past the Summary of the Angling Participation report. Needs a good proof read for a start. Plus much of it is simply laughable. It`s as if a Martian was commenting. EG: Gosh. Most coarse anglers do not fish for the table. Wow. I suggest you sharpen things up before you go to fishing venues as you`re in danger of getting strong reactions.
Angling and Young People
Spot on collation of widely held views amongst anglers,maybe poicy makers and funders will take note.
perhaps the barriers faced by clubs / organisations recruiting volunteers to coach young anglers is something that can be explored. Many are bamboozled by child protection policies, crb checks (the new vetting and barring scheme), insurance, consent forms not to mention funding the list goes on and on and whilst all these things are important and should be in place when dealing with young people, it can be daunting to small clubs and organisations. Maybe some views from clubs etc?
Junior Instruction
With all the rules and regulations and paper filling now involved in teaching juniors in whatever sport I applaud all those take the time and trouble to carry out junior instruction.
I am a qualified instructor in fly fishing teaching adults, original qualification under STANIC which took two days to carry out. I then attended a few short courses under the auspicious of Game Angling Instructors Association to attain Level two status.
I shudder to think how much time it would take and at what financial cost involved in attaining a similar qualification to day, especially ADB qualifications.
I am only afraid that the numbers of those prepared to do so will be diminished by this increasingly onerous task.
Barriers
I echo the sentiments. I am involved with running a busy fly tying group and the whole question of having children on board causes much debate amongst the predominantly middle aged male members. We do not/cannot exclude youngsters from wanting to join although we have no young members for some unknown reason and when the question of coaching schemes/activities comes up the members back away because of the implications of legislation etc. They also feel potentially vulnerable even at fishing shows whilst instructing youngsters as they don't know what might be seen as bad practice if getting close to or touching youngsters in the act of instruction.
We have had advice from the ADB on setting up schemes but it is quite off-putting to see what has to be done.
It is a dilemma and most anglers I know want to encourage youngsters but shy away because of the perceived difficuties that might be faced in doing it in compliance with everything.
I just wonder if it needs recognition and support from the media to raise the profile of angling in general? We know an angler will never win Sports personality of the year! Look at Anglers achievements and then see what coverage they get - next to nothing.Come third in one of the 'chosen'sports and you're a hero and get national recognition but what have our World Champions and multiple world champtions ever had?
We are seen currently as a minority sport along with many others who achieve superb results and go unnoticed - it had got to be down to media interest and coverage.
Got off soap box now!
Glyn Williams
Angling and Young People
Good results showing what everyone in angling has known for years. Young people and the community benefit in many ways from being involved in angling. We work with and coach many young people in angling and always promote good practice. The photos you have used in the summary report depicting young anglers dangling fish on the end of the line to be photographed is not a wise choice and certainly not good practice. I question the wisdom and knowledge of the photographer who could have got great photos with the angler holding the fish. If we are to encourage young anglers then we must teach good practice.
Activity in Angling
As the report makes clear because Angling covers a wide range of styles and situations it is not possible to make a generic statement about its level of intensity. Some days I sit at a peg and relax with little or no physical effort yet when I fish my local river in the Winter searching for Chub I probably walk three or four miles.
As a keen rambler I would argue that some of my fishing is just as physical as walking the fells.
Activity in angling
This impossible to quantify because comparing say carp fishing to salmon fishing is at either end of the spectrum. In carp fishing you set up your bivvy and settle in one place and in salmon fishing you wade up to your chest in icy waters and keep on the move all the time. There is no norm.
Activity in Angling
Looking a the overall comparison in activity between game, sea and coarse anglers. As one who over the years have done both, it's blindingly obvious:
The majority of coarse and sea angling involves casting out a bait at a fixed location and waiting the fish to be attracted to your bait. This is common in carp, pike, and match fishing. There is some 'roving' on rivers fishing for barbel and chub, and maybe some seafishing (plugging for bass etc) that is mobile, but I'd suggest 90% is fairly static once you've got to your location.
As for game- in the case of flyfishing and spinning, it's all mobile, even bait fishing with a worm is mobile to some degree. You can't sit down and 'covering the water' or several miles of river can improve your chances, the action of casting a fly occurs every 40 seconds or so, when river fishing, maybe every minute stillwater angling. You're in water and constantly moving. Hence- much more intense physically.
Andy R
fishing as a high intensity activity?
There's a really lively debate in the FishingMagic forum on the extent of fishing as a 'high intensity' activity...
http://www.fishingmagic.com/forums/general-fishing/41648-interim-researc...
forum comments on maggotdrowners
There's a comment thread on the Maggotdrowner's forum...
http://www.maggotdrowning.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=102777
Angling Particpation
Just a point.
You incorrectly list football, cricket, rugby etc as high participation sports alongside angling.
This is incorrect. Angling is a high partcipation sport. The rest are all highly WATCHED activities.
It is very important you understand this and yet its in the first few paragraphs of your Interim Report.
I got no further.